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Post by Kachu on Aug 6, 2022 18:43:06 GMT
"It's mostly why I ended up revealing." Athena mumbles a little bit, not very comfortable with all this suspicion. "By the time the second arc ended, I thought the Witches would've known I was the doctor, and that Kolton would have to be the poisoner. Or in our case a Taco Chef."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 6, 2022 19:56:37 GMT
Lancer shakes his head. "There's more to consider here. Perhaps some of this has been said previously, but I'll state it here...Because after some more internal thought, I believe my order of voting has changed." Lancer looks like he's about to explain some STUFF.
[#spoiler="Stuff"] Escort - This would allow the cops to prevent troublesome mobster roles from interfering with cop business. Of all varieties. Including doctors, role-swappers, or mob-aligned investigators. - Leslie had used this role against Mercy the very first night of arcs 1 and 2. She also used it against Countess twice in arc 2, and once more in arc 3. However, something strange happened in arc 2 where Countess was only trying to kill ONE person after being blocked from killing two people on night 5 (second night of arc 2). Why? At that point, Austin had been killed by Countess, and Rob had been poisoned. 2 cops at most are alive at this point. Did she start trying to only kill 1 person to not kill all the mobsters so quickly, or was she trying to kill ZERO people every night for the same reason? I think not, because Leslie visited Sergio the night after. If Leslie was involved in some scheme to get ZERO deaths, she would've coordinated with Countess more and stayed consistent. Sergio had not revealed his Scientist role yet (citation needed), so Leslie couldn't have been trying to prevent investigation of dead bodies on purpose.
This makes Leslie VERY likely a mobster.
Torturer - It would make sense for the cops to investigate mobsters and find out what they're capable of more directly. They wouldn't want others to interfere with them. - I don't like making defenses for myself, but...I couldn't sit by and not try and fix this exciting but incredibly noisy ordeal that has interrupted my otherwise peaceful life. That is why I have put forth so much effort to collect, organize, and share the notes I've taken.
Doctor - Both sides can benefit from this role as it depends on how they use it, like Kolton said. - Athena has been out of sync from the cops too much to be one. She tried to save my life on four different occasions. Night 6 (aka night 3 of arc 2), she actually saved my life. And much like Leslie, their strategy was not consistent, and their role was seldom actually utilized due to the lack of predictability of who the cops would kill next. I was a big target due to my early role reveal and active involvement in trying to assemble the pieces of circumstantial evidence.
For these reasons, Athena is VERY likely a mobster.
Watchguard - This is a very good role for the cops to be able to keep an eye on each other in the event of a mob-aligned killer or investigator. They could have info on who visits the cops and make deductions from there. - That being said, if Leo was a cop, would he not spend time trying to investigate cops? At least SOME of the time? And he did. Night 1, he tried investigating Countess. And I investigated him. As soon as I revealed his role, that caused the cops to pay closer attention to him. I'm personally surprised neither Leo OR myself were killed the following evening. Which means Countess wasn't concerned about new information and killing threats she knew about. She was trying to kill the unknowns to limit the people she DIDN'T know. To make a more isolated environment to discern fewer people at a time and get more conclusive uh...conclusions. She also didn't kill Austin OR Broccoli the first arc. In fact, it wasn't until we all revealed role information in Loop 2 that she PURPOSEFULLY killed a known cop. The question is, was she trying to kill Leo, who was another cop? Or perhaps did she kill Mercy in Loop 1 after realizing a cop win would be bad? That could've been done to both limit the # of mob deaths...or increase the # of cop deaths. Austin also changed his vote to no kill despite Izza being on the chopping block. Leo had been no kill from the start, despite the high suspicion of Izza.
That aside, Leo is POSSIBLY a mobster, but...There is a notable lack of evidence to prove it.
Billionaire - Could benefit both sides in terms of voting as the doubled vote could help sway the votes towards one direction. However, since cops are outnumbered by a factor of two (along with cops having consistent funding), this could be a helpful role.
Mona was one of the first people to reveal their role. They also have granted extra vote power to Mercy, Leslie, and most notably Bones. None of which are known cops. But all of which SPOKE of having a boosted vote, and all of which were NOT people with investigation roles. There were nights where Mona's vote boost was NOT spoken of. Especially in arc 2. It's possible that my lack of vigilence has left some of my notes blank. But I believe that perhaps Mona granted a cop more vote power, and it was never spoken of. At this point in time, I would like to ask Mona to relay her actions for the three arcs since she never actually provided her actions when I requested them earlier.
That being said, unless her actions speak otherwise, Mona is UNLIKELY a mobster. Pickpocket - This role only works for the mobs if the mobs are very transparent and coordinated in selectively investigating or stealing the roles of a person. For the cops, this is a fantastic chaos creator and a way to experiment with known AND unknown roles. - As Mercy found out first-hand, it was difficult. Throughout the first and second arcs, Mercy fumbled around with every role she took and didn't reveal herself until the end of the second arc. This lack of productivity was frustrating and consistent, yet she deemed her role 'too important' to give up until her status as a mobster was pressed. And even when a plan was established to root out the cops, she deviated from it in pursuit of her own gambles. Unfortunately, I think too highly of my sister to deem her a fool. I am more willing to bet that this lack of productivity was calculated and she has utilized a dangerous set of acting skills rather than be this short-sighted. Although then again, love tends to have varied effects on the mind.
These things taken into account, Mercy is UNLIKELY a mobster. [/spoiler]
With this explanation in mind, barring any additional information, Lancer's current list of voting is: 1. Mona 2. Mercy 3. Leo 4. Athena and/or Leslie
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Post by Panda on Aug 6, 2022 20:27:02 GMT
"To be clear, anyone in my position would have 'fumbled around' if they got stuck with Bones's ability and no idea how to use it," Mercy pointed out, apparently still bitter even now.
"I soft-revealed my role as early as the second 'night' of the second loop, far earlier than you're implying. At the time I still wanted to keep it secret, as its strength against the cops comes from being unknown, but I deliberately suggested the role's existence to help mitigate the chaos. I even stated exactly what I did with the role, though I didn't reveal that I was the one who had it. I floated the idea that you might have been given the Pickpocket role so that we could track its movement and keep things under control. Believe me, I did everything I could to mitigate the chaos factor: I'm well aware of the role's downsides.
"I would also like to point out that I was only unproductive in the second loop because I spent one night taking your ability, only for you to give it right back to me afterwards. I had to spend the next night once again taking a role. I attempted, in that time, to find out Izza's talents, but there was only so little I could do in those circumstances.
"As for the plan in the third loop, I did not deviate from it. I was unaware of it until it was too late, as I already said at the time. Having already stolen from Leo, I chose instead to capitalise on what I could, by claiming I visited Rob 'as planned'. It would be a believable lie due to the extensive plan you wrote up, Lancer. This way there was a chance he'd only visit one target afterwards, thus negating his own ability. I believed there to be little harm in at least trying that. I knew who had my ability - Leo - and I chose to Watch him with his own ability in case I caught a cop trying to kill him. So long as I revealed the truth afterwards - which I did - we would be able to sort out who had what roles. Our overall 'utility' as a group would have remained the same; if anything, we could have been in a stronger position as the cops would be under the impression Leo couldn't keep watch for anyone visiting him. The only reason the plan backfired is due to a freak series of coincidences that I had no way to predict."
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Post by pancakes on Aug 6, 2022 20:47:07 GMT
"The evidence is me following your dumbass instructions and getting myself a face full of tacos, you moron," Leo snapped, baring his teeth. He played with his collar a bit while reading the rest of Lancer's notes. "Anyways, I'm pretty sure the cop is between Mona and Mercy. I'll just vote for whoever has the most votes, but it seems like Mona is getting the most heat right now."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 6, 2022 22:32:49 GMT
"The evidence is me following your dumbass instructions and getting myself a face full of tacos, you moron," Leo snapped, baring his teeth. He played with his collar a bit while reading the rest of Lancer's notes. "Anyways, I'm pretty sure the cop is between Mona and Mercy. I'll just vote for whoever has the most votes, but it seems like Mona is getting the most heat right now." Lancer nods. "It's why I won't consider you until we vote out Mona first. If Mona is confirmed mob, then that is a lot more insight into everything."
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Post by dootdoot on Aug 6, 2022 22:43:56 GMT
"Wait, wait! Before you all vote for me, I have something to clear up!" Mona said.
"Red. Can you confirm that Leon died after the pod left the building?" they asked. Also, in a more general sense, they wanted to clarify whether narration was always fully trustworthy. It was all very meta and strange for everyone involved, especially since Mona discussed events they definitely did not witness.
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Post by Planetbox on Aug 7, 2022 0:14:42 GMT
“Sure, why not,” Red said. “Leon died after the Pod left the building. In fact, I’ll do you one better. Leon died inside the Pod.”
I’m not sure what you mean about the narration, but yeah I made sure it was trustworthy and never overtly lied in it. But maybe there was some obfuscation or misdirection in the usual mystery sense.
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 7, 2022 0:33:37 GMT
"It doesn't really help us figure out how my old man died, Mona. What the hell are you trying to get at here?" Kolton asked after Red have answered the question that Mona asked. "You're trying to stall for time, are you?"
"After all, I believe Lancer's right to be suspicious of you. Your ability to give a doubled vote could benefit the cops. Not to mention all the money you have..." The heir said as he make direct eye contact with the TV-headed person. "Fuck, if you're not a cop, then I don't know who could possibly be a cop! You're getting my vote, Mona!"
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 9:19:39 GMT
"I am still voting for Mona first," Mercy reiterated.
"In the meantime, Red, what would happen were Leon's mechanical eye to be EMPed?"
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Post by Rosa on Aug 7, 2022 9:39:33 GMT
"Mona continues to be my primary suspect", Leslie agreed. "With great apologies, of course, but it's hard to discern who the final cop could be with this batch of suspects."
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Post by Pierre on Aug 7, 2022 11:28:17 GMT
Bones snaps his fingers and simply says "Mona"
This is probably a vote for them.
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Post by Planetbox on Aug 7, 2022 14:03:13 GMT
“If Leon’s eye was EMP blasted, he would have died,” Red explained, ignoring the majority votes. “The thing would have short-circuited and sent a fatal dose of electricity directly into his brain. At least it was instant. He should have updated the thing ages ago, but I guess even the old fart could get sentimental.”
“Oh, and here’s a nice bonus since y’all seem to be struggling with this one. Modern EMP blasts can cover long distances and pass through walls. It pays to know your technology.”
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 14:04:51 GMT
Mercy nodded. "Thank you, that helps greatly."
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 7, 2022 14:05:53 GMT
"... So, it was a EMP blast that killed my old man..." Kolton nods in agreement with Red. "That lines up with what my old man's Black Box shown us... But who could do something like that?"
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Post by Planetbox on Aug 7, 2022 14:14:42 GMT
"Gotcha," Red said, checking their watch. "If you don't mind hurrying up a bit, I'm trying to meet some friends for karaoke later." Red flicked their wrist and launched Mona into the air. They immediately blasted them with their lightning, causing Mona to thrash around and make funny computerized noises. The lightning turned into swirling red Benjamins that scattered across the roof—only to burn away into ashes. "Mona Lunetti was the Billionaire. They've earned vast amounts of money building their tech empire.
Every round, they visited a player and bribed them with their earnings, doubling their vote in the next Argument Phase.
They were a Mobster, aligned with the Mobsters." Mona collapsed to the roof and started making dial-up sounds. "Shame, y'all seemed so certain. Still, I believe in y'all," Red grumbled, sounding like they didn't believe in much of anything.
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 7, 2022 14:17:03 GMT
"Dammit... This fourth cop is being clever..." Kolton mumbled to himself. "We only got two more guesses... Who could possibly be the fourth cop?"
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 14:26:50 GMT
"All the discussion regarding Athena has changed my mind about her. My next best guess would be Leslie, and after that, Leo," Mercy said. "We're getting closer to solving Leon's murder. I hope that rounds things down even further.
"On that note, Red: what's the typical range on a hologram projector? Would such a device need to be inside Leon's pod to display an image there, or could it be beamed over a distance of, say, 10 feet?"
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 7, 2022 14:33:02 GMT
"... Wait. If the back of the lens piece was covered in ashes... I think the lens piece was placed there after the Pod was bombed. If it was placed before the Pod was bombed, then it would have been completely destroyed. This means that the lens piece was never inside the Pod prior to my old man's murder." Kolton reasoned, both eyebrows raised.
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Post by Planetbox on Aug 7, 2022 14:53:44 GMT
"Hologram projectors have very limited range," Red explained. "They can project up to about 5 inches, but they can project through most solid objects. Either way, if a hologram projector was involved, it had to be inside the Pod."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 7, 2022 17:18:38 GMT
Lancer stares blankly. He doesn't even look at Mona after hearing Red's words. With a great inhale and slow exhale, he takes off his goggles. His eyes have bags. He looks to Mercy.
"Mercy, I have a big favor to ask." he says, looking directly at her eyes. "Look me in the eyes and promise me you're not a cop."
Lancer's eyes have a menacing look to them, as if poised to do something if they saw something they didn't like.
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Post by Kachu on Aug 7, 2022 17:21:01 GMT
Athena, due to the incoming time crunch, speaks up to vote. "I'll go for either Mercy or Leslie. Whichever gets us to a majority."
"I can re-assess if we're wrong after."
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Post by Rosa on Aug 7, 2022 17:24:28 GMT
Leslie sighed. "Mercy is my best guess for now as well. Though at this point, it could be anybody, really."
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 17:38:18 GMT
Mercy maintained Lancer's gaze. "I'm not a cop. I'm a Decado assassin: we've probably done more to clean up this city than the damn police have."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 7, 2022 18:09:42 GMT
Lancer maintains the gaze for a few lingering seconds before breaking it. He exhales and puts his goggles back on. "At this time, my primary vote is Leslie."
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Post by dootdoot on Aug 7, 2022 18:30:36 GMT
Mona, still twitching on the ground, printed something out from a slot on their square metal skull.
MERCY it said. I'm actually not sure if they were voting or begging for mercy, but we'll consider it a vote to expedite things.
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 18:51:07 GMT
"In the meantime, honey-dearest, could you tell me more about Leon's pacemaker operation? It seems like the key to solving his murder, if the pacemaker really was involved in his death," Mercy said to Kolton.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 7, 2022 20:24:52 GMT
"Yo Blondie, care to explain the change of heart?" Leo asked Lancer.
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Post by Planetbox on Aug 7, 2022 21:17:50 GMT
“Leslie did the actual operation,” Kolton explained. “She was the only one Leon would’ve trusted with that. As for me, I was on guard duty, to make sure no one tried to interfere or get into the area. I stood by the entrance to the operating room. Athena was in charge of getting Leslie everything she needed. She also grabbed the pacemaker from Leon’s room while Leon was going under anesthetic.”
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Post by Doctor Nanjo M.D. on Aug 7, 2022 21:51:11 GMT
The rats, who (after terrorizing Kolton for a while) have been relatively low-key, say, “My fote for Mercy stoirnds. Nefer troisted her.”
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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2022 22:26:05 GMT
"I suppose that's fair, I never trusted you either."
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