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Post by Kachu on Aug 4, 2022 21:12:36 GMT
"I'm going to vote for Mona, I think." Athena mumbles a little near the end there. "Poor Sergio... we've been doubtful all this time, and he was always with us..."
"I don't see many better options than Mona. There's six reasonable choices left, since we obviously wouldn't vote Kolton or Bones. But if anyone has other ideas, I'm willing to change the vote."
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Post by Panda on Aug 4, 2022 21:19:37 GMT
"I've said it before, no need for me to explain it again. With a lack of better options, I'll vote for Mona. If not them, then... I'm a little stumped at that point. I'd have burned through all my suspects."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 4, 2022 21:27:26 GMT
"... Mona." Lancer says, without further explanation......Haha, just kidding. "Unfortunately, Mona, you are the person I have the least information on. Which means that comparatively to everyone else, it makes you the most suspicious. Whether by accident or on-purpose, you've been working in the background and spare for the occasional bloodthirsty voting, discussion from you was rare. On top of the fact that a group of 4 trying to vote against a group of 8 is obviously a losing numbers game...Being able to give your votes to the people who seem like they'd align best with the cop's goals on accident is ideal." Lancer explains, turning to Bones. "That's my reasoning." Edit: In a time of incredibly quick song changes, Lancer is listening to some random instrumental music while he ponders the duplicitousness of interpersonal relationships and hopes the last cop is caught.
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 4, 2022 22:42:01 GMT
"Aust..." Kolton said, with a pained expression on his face, upon discovering Austin's true affiliation. "You... You betrayed the Lunetti family. My old man gave you a place in the Lunetti family and this is how you thanked us? Helping the cops destroy the Lunetti family? Your food was really good..."
The heir turns his back on Austin before he looks towards his niece, Athena.
"Thank you, Athena. You helped us find the third cop. I'm sure your father... my brother will be proud of you for busting a cop." He said as he put an arm around Mercy.
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Post by Pierre on Aug 4, 2022 23:10:05 GMT
"... Mona." Lancer says, without further explanation......Haha, just kidding. "Unfortunately, Mona, you are the person I have the least information on. Which means that comparatively to everyone else, it makes you the most suspicious. Whether by accident or on-purpose, you've been working in the background and spare for the occasional bloodthirsty voting, discussion from you was rare. On top of the fact that a group of 4 trying to vote against a group of 8 is obviously a losing numbers game...Being able to give your votes to the people who seem like they'd align best with the cop's goals on accident is ideal." Lancer explains, turning to Bones. "That's my reasoning." Edit: In a time of incredibly quick song changes, Lancer is listening to some random instrumental music while he ponders the duplicitousness of interpersonal relationships and hopes the last cop is caught. "Right but hold up a minute Lance, sure 'e COULD have used his power to help the cops win votes." Bones patted himself "But 'e gave me the power twice, and Les once. I was confirmed a monster at dat point. Not sure we're going on the right track." He looked around the others "Honestly, my money leans closer to Athena or Leo frankly."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 5, 2022 0:37:48 GMT
Lancer nods. "I mean no disrespect to you or Leslie, Bones. Especially since I've been off-base a few times, but...Mona could have had the perception that you and Les were the least dangerous or even the most misguided people in the group, which is why you were always targeted for the votes. However..." Lancer seems to count something on his fingers.
"Athena is a close second, as grateful as I am to her. I can very easily imagine that at some point, the cops purposefully wanted to counteract each other to keep as many people alive as possible for the sake of making it difficult to narrow the number of cops down. To make it looks like Leslie actually blocked someone as opposed to the reality of Countess and Athena blocking each other. If Mona is not a cop, then I would like to discern Athena's nature next."
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 5, 2022 1:22:11 GMT
"If Mona is a cop, then don't you think it's really unusual? Why would a cop need all that money?" Kolton asked as an eyebrow arched, "I think Mona's role would only make sense if he were a mobster. But if you guys really want to vote to reveal Mona's true affiliation... So be it. I'm not stopping you from voting Mona." The way his head moved; you could tell that he's rolling his eyes.
"Besides, I got a feeling that we might be making a mistake by voting Mona." He added on quietly.
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Post by Kachu on Aug 5, 2022 4:22:34 GMT
“Ah but, Lancer.” Athena coughs into a closed fist. “Most of the time, Leslie did block the kills. Especially during that final arc in the end there. The only time I think I actually saved someone’s ass was yours, in the second arc. Each other catch was Leslie getting the right target, right?”
“Uncle is bringing up a good point, I think. I’m not quite sure which side benefits from Mona’s power more, but it does feel like it’d be the cops…”
“I’m just at a loss as to who to go after instead, if not them.”
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Post by Pierre on Aug 5, 2022 9:08:06 GMT
"Yeah but dat's the thing. If Mona could 'ave benefitted the cops, they didn't. Like I ain't saying it's an issue, just if we's doing this one at a time. I'd go elsewhere first y'know?"
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Post by Rosa on Aug 5, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
"Let me go through everyone we have left now", Leslie sighed. "Now that Austin has been caught, I suppose that makes Athena less suspect in my eyes. Leo is said to have been looked into by Izza, and I doubt we would have another investigator amongst us who happens to be a cop. Mercy has constantly been open to us about her role and what it has been capable of, which leads me to believe she is quite trustworthy. And Lancer has been consistently helpful to us thus far. Kolty and Bones are definitely on our side, and I obviously cannot expect myself to be a cop. So in accordance, that means Mona must be our last remaining cop... I don't know who to suspect if that isn't the case, though. Maybe Mercy or Athena? But I doubt either will be one at all. I would say that while Mona has given me their voting power on multiple occasions, it could just be to stay on the safer side. The cops were looking to get away to the bitter end, and the best case scenario for someone like Mona - the last in command - would have been to lie low and stay safe. It's not as though they were going to get the cop power handed to them for a while, so distracting us by giving us gifts would have been the wiser move."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 5, 2022 9:45:02 GMT
“It should be made clear that this is no longer about reasonable suspicion. It’s moreso a case of who I have the least certainty about. If not an accusation of being a cop, then it’s simply a verification of what we think we know.”
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Post by Panda on Aug 5, 2022 11:10:08 GMT
Mercy nodded. "I have no strong feelings about Mona either way, they're simply the only one I don't have some reason to believe is a mob. If we're wrong about this, I'd be happy to consider your suspicions," she said, addressing Bones and Kolton. "I'm not sure we're breaking through this vote any other way."
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Post by Bad Player on Aug 5, 2022 14:29:58 GMT
Countess Elizabeth Arette Pistachio Charlemagne Natalie Maria Clementine Montague du Bois eats some Cocoa Puffs. (Still on the ground.)
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Post by Panda on Aug 5, 2022 14:50:30 GMT
"Perhaps we should put all our thoughts out there, and list what order we'd vote the remaining suspects in. That way we have a clearer idea what we're dealing with," Mercy suggested, stealing Bones's idea. "I'll start, of course:
"1. Mona. I've explained why. "2. Leslie. Out of all the bad options left, she's the least bad. Her ability would greatly benefit the cops by blocking undesirable roles, and could also be used to intentionally prevent cop kills to disrupt the numbers. Many of her actions and decisions could conceivably have been made by a cop. "3. Athena. It's strange that, of all the people she could have swapped in the very last time period, she just so happened to swap Leslie's target and the third cop, despite apparently not hearing who Leslie announced she would target. Was this extraordinary luck, or was it a play intended to make her, the fourth cop, look unassailable? Additionally, like Leslie it's very possible Athena intentionally saved cop kill targets multiple times in order to disrupt the numbers. Unlike Leslie, however, her role is more suited to us than to the cops, hence she ranks lower. Still, she would have been able to save cops from my darling, so it's not out of the question. "4. Leo. I find it very unlikely Leo would be a cop now that we've established Austin is one. The possibility still remains, of course, which is why he's #4 and not #5. "5. Lancer. No, this isn't preferential treatment towards my own blood; Lancer is simply, by far, the most non-cop-like person here. He has done far too much work trying to catch the cops to be one himself. His data collection and organisation speaks for itself."
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Post by Pierre on Aug 5, 2022 15:10:45 GMT
Bones cracked his knuckles and produced a pen and a pristine bar napkin from the folds of his jacket. "Might not agree on much but let me just jot down my most suspicious real quick here for ya." he said quickly scribbling as if he was simply taking an order.
The Napkin Read: "In order of Suspicion"
Mercy - 1 Leo - 2 Athena -3 Leslie -4 Mona -5
Lancer -6 Kolton - 10 Bones - 10
"So how's about this, we count up the points and whoeva's got the least? We put em through the magic wringer eh? Even included myself and Kolton on there cause we're in the clear thanks to that first loop yeah?"
He presents this idea with the heartbreak of someone who just had their thunder stolen by beautiful mind-reading assassins and put it out first.
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Post by Kachu on Aug 5, 2022 18:39:24 GMT
Athena frowns. She didn't bother saying much to defend herself, anything she had to say was probably said already. She also retracts her vote for Mona for the time being.
She grabs a napkin from somewhere and jots down a list like Bones.
Mona: 2 Leslie: 4 Mercy: 4 Leo: 8 Lancer: 8
"I've elected not to include myself, Bones, or Kolton. I know we're all innocent. So there'd be no point, right?"
"I think it's unfortunate that I've become suspicious, but I suppose that's the consequence of making a stupid mistake. I can't fault anyone for that. I will remind everyone though that whenever Leslie has blocked a cop, it was truthfully a cop she blocked. The only time this wasn't the case was when we were all suspect of Sergio, and I believe I saved Lancer at the time. Even at the very end of my role as being a Doctor, Leslie always blocked the cop."
"That doesn't really make it impossible that I never tried to save the targets, I guess... but this sort of thing goes both ways, and it's impossible to really prove either. So if your minds are made up, then that's that."
"I'm curious to hear why Bones thinks Leo is suspect as well. I find it increasingly unlikely that both of the watching powers would be in the hands of the cops."
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Post by Rosa on Aug 5, 2022 18:48:39 GMT
"My first suspicion is Mona, out of process of elimination. Then is Mercy, I suppose. Then Athena, then Leo and then Lancer. I've already explained my rationale for all of this, and nothing has changed since then. I can't rebutt the idea that my role could be used for saving a cop, however my blocking Countess multiple times in Arc 2 wouldn't have been a smart move on my part. I maintain my innocence, and I fully doubt it's Athena either."
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 5, 2022 20:01:03 GMT
"... Maybe we should think about this carefully." Kolton suggested as he looks at each and every person in his group. "There's a reason why I was killed in the third time loop; and it have to do with my poisoning victims."
"Rob was confirmed a cop due to my mother blocking him and the statement of him killing Lancer. Aust was confirmed a cop due to Athena's mistake."
"I believe that Lancer would have no reason to lie about his investigation results of the countess having the killing power. I guess Rob killed Lancer to prevents him from finding out who have a hidden cop ability."
"I don't really see Leo as a cop, since the cops have an investigating role of their own... Aust's Private Eye ability."
"Bones and I are both confirmed mobsters due to the outcome of the first time loop. Sergio and Izza were only confirmed mobsters due to our guesses on them."
"I think we should consider the possibility that the countess killed off some of her silly henchmen, in an attempt to make them looks innocent. I say that was a very bold move of her to make."
"However, if Mona is revealed to not be a cop, then our next guess should go onto Athena. What if Athena didn't make a mistake, but rather made a clever move to frame Izza by swapping her with Aust?" The heir folds his arms.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 5, 2022 20:13:47 GMT
"I'm just a dog, so maybe my opinion doesn't matter to you meat jackets, but I think the most suspicious are Mercy, Mona, and Leslie in that order."
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Post by Kachu on Aug 5, 2022 20:52:44 GMT
"However, if Mona is revealed to not be a cop, then our next guess should go onto Athena. What if Athena didn't make a mistake, but rather made a clever move to frame Izza by swapping her with Aust?" The heir folds his arms. "That wouldn't get me very far, would it?" Athena sighs. "If I didn't swap like that, then someone would've died that night, and we'd have very little idea as to who the third in command would be. Why would I throw Austin under the bus?" "If Austin was never blocked, then sure, we'd never have guessed Izza. But then what would we have done? Interfering like that would just put a target on my head. Yeah, I'll admit I screwed up in messing with Leslie's plans, but it worked out in a weird way for us in the end. But it'd be a stupid move for the cops to make. Otherwise Austin would've gone undetected. And instead of hunting down the last cop, we'd likely be hunting down the last two." Athena smiles at the dog. Dogs are cute. "Leo's list is mostly the same as mine, aside from the placement of Mona. I'm comfortable voting in the order of his, or in an order that puts Mona first."
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 5, 2022 21:05:17 GMT
Lancer relays the following list:
1. Mona. 2. Mercy. 3. Athena.
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 5, 2022 21:38:19 GMT
Kolton nods after listening to Athena's explanation
"That's true, Athena. Swapping Izza with Aust helped us figure out who the third cop is. However, there's still the matter of figuring out who the fourth cop is..." Kolton ponders over this before he looks towards Lancer.
"Lancer, is there a reason why you think my lovebug should be checked?" An eyebrow arched as the heir asked his question.
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Post by Panda on Aug 5, 2022 23:11:42 GMT
"Here's an idea," Mercy said, definitely not stalling for time now that everyone was voting for her. "We know Leon wasn't killed by a cop. If we solve his murder, we might be able to cross a cop suspect off the list."
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Post by Kachu on Aug 5, 2022 23:16:13 GMT
Athena scratches her chin before reluctantly nodding. In character she'd rather be done with this cop shit, but her player wants to solve the murder, so she agrees.
"I'll admit, though, I've hardly paid much attention to what went on. Have any of you been taking notes or something?"
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Post by Panda on Aug 5, 2022 23:40:56 GMT
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Post by Neotelenta on Aug 6, 2022 0:21:40 GMT
Kolton nods after listening to Athena's explanation "That's true, Athena. Swapping Izza with Aust helped us figure out who the third cop is. However, there's still the matter of figuring out who the fourth cop is..." Kolton ponders over this before he looks towards Lancer. "Lancer, is there a reason why you think my lovebug should be checked?" An eyebrow arched as the heir asked his question. "The same suspicions I have for Athena. I can't tell if certain actions were simply bad gambles, or purposeful sabotage. That is all."
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Post by Panda on Aug 6, 2022 8:38:27 GMT
"And what might those be? I'd be happy to put any misunderstandings to rest," Mercy said.
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 6, 2022 16:44:04 GMT
"Hmm... I think we should go over the role list and see what roles the cops can benefited from using each role." Kolton said as he mulls over the role list. - Escort - The cops wouldn't benefit from this role as it could pretty much screw them over.
- Torturer - Wouldn't make any sense for the cops to have this role. If this was a cop, I would have been killed near the end of the second time loop since I was investigated twice by Lancer to find out what I am capable of doing. The cops only knew of my role at the start of the third time loop.
- Doctor - Both sides can benefit from this role as it depends on how they use it. The mobster-sided doctor would have to get very lucky with their visits. Cop-sided doctor could easily fool the mobsters into think they're on their side by saving someone that the cops decided to kill.
- Watchguard - I don't think the cops can benefit from this as they already have an investigating role; Aust's Private Eye role. But if the cops can benefit from this, then what can they use the role for? To find the poisoner who were poisoning their kind? However, it seems extremely unlikely that the cops could benefits from this role.
- Billionaire - Could benefits both sides in terms of voting as the doubled vote could help sway the votes towards one direction.
- Pickpocket - Both sides can benefit from this role as the purpose of this role is to sow chaos; people would end up with roles that they didn't know how to use. However, I believe that the mobsters can benefits from this as this can screw the cops over by taking away their most powerful roles.
"So, what do you guys think about my reasonings?" The heir asked the others.
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Post by Panda on Aug 6, 2022 16:59:08 GMT
"I do have some thoughts on those roles, sweetie," Mercy said. "In particular, you're underestimating the Escort's power. As a cop, the Escort would only ever need to target mobs, and would be able to shut down our important roles. If cop!Leslie wanted to, she could stop Athena from saving a kill target, or stop Leo from catching the killer cop in the act, or stop you from poisoning someone, e.t.c. Really, as a cop Leslie would be very powerful.
"As for the Doctor, it would make more sense for me if the cops were simply able to reign in their bloodlust and intentionally kill fewer people, rather than requiring an entire role to do that for them. If a cop Doctor has a use, it would be stopping someone like you, dearest, from killing their allies. I'm not sure that would be enough to warrant bringing someone with that skillset here, though.
"Finally, my own role. All I can say is, I'm aware of the chaos it can cause. That's precisely why I tried to be honest with it, to minimise disruption. If I were a cop, I could have probably gotten away with letting it wreak a lot more havoc. You're right about stealing cop roles, though. It's a shame we never managed to expose a cop until it was far too late for me to steal one of their roles. (Taking Countess's would have been largely useless.) Otherwise that would have been my top priority, rather than trying to protect a mob role."
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Aug 6, 2022 17:51:08 GMT
Kolton nods after listening to Mercy.
"Indeed, those are very good points, lovebug. However... I don't buy that my mother is a cop. If she is a cop, then she would have inferenced with Lancer's Torturer ability, Leo's Watchguard ability or Athena's Doctor ability. And yet... She didn't block any of them. Which convinces me that she's probably a mobster, right? I reckon the cops didn't know that she is capable of blocking someone from carrying out their action. And even if they tried to kill her, she could simply block them from doing so."
"And regarding Athena's Doctor ability, that's a good point. With your logic, it means that Athena must be a mobster. I don't think the cops clocked in that she's the Doctor because in the second time loop on night 2, the cops must've targeted both Izza and Lancer. Rob swapped the countess with Leslie, probably because they predicted that my mother would go after the countess. But since Athena went onto Lancer, the cops only managed to kill Izza. So, I guess the cops tried to go after Lancer again night 3, but because she went on Lancer yet again, their murder attempt was thwarted. You'd think that the cops would know that something's up when they couldn't kill Lancer the second time. They would have figured out that Athena has the Doctor ability and would get rid of her ability one way or another."
"The only time that the cops were able to kill so many people... It was in the first time loop when they killed Athena and my mother the first night." He said as he folds his arms.
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