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Post by Joker on Apr 11, 2023 23:08:15 GMT
"Not quite. I'm saying that Mr. Tsutomu and his killer struggled with each other, and after his demise, he was put into the cabinet. After all, it is far easier to move a dead body than a living one." "Do we know for sure there was a struggle?" Nico asked once he calmed down a bit. His eyes were red and swollen from crying. "I'll admit I'm a bit confused already, but the workshop was a mess because of Caitlin and Faye's fight, right? I don't know if that really changes anything though..."
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Post by satan on Apr 11, 2023 23:15:18 GMT
"The wound on the back of Mr. Tsutomu's head implies some sort of struggle, I would think." Hawk scratched his chin. "Granted, with how... Shall we say, unsteady the man is, it's entirely possible he stumbled and knocked himself out."
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Post by mec on Apr 12, 2023 4:00:06 GMT
Hella drops her head to her podium for a second before lifting it back up with another groan. "Use a lifeline? Yeah, I think we should use a lifeline. I'm in the mood for judgement in my opinion, even have nice list that goes a little like: 1. Ige's and Xhuli's killers are the same person" She says Xhuli this time, unlike every other time she's referred to the deceased. "2. Ige's killer is alive. If Yugi did kill Ige then this will be wrong as the one above. 3. I..... do not have a 3." She pauses and makes a short and sharping clicking sound a few times as she thinks to herself.
"Yeah fuck, any suggestions?"
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Post by Panda on Apr 12, 2023 8:05:03 GMT
[ I was hoping someone else would point it out, but now it's come up twice and I don't want you to go off-track: I already stated that the wound wasn't deep enough to have been from an impact that knocked Ige out. ] Ige's last bank account log set him back up to M1000. In other words, he had 20 minutes remaining. Hella drops her head to her podium for a second before lifting it back up with another groan. "Use a lifeline? Yeah, I think we should use a lifeline. I'm in the mood for judgement in my opinion, even have nice list that goes a little like: 1. Ige's and Xhuli's killers are the same person" She says Xhuli this time, unlike every other time she's referred to the deceased. "2. Ige's killer is alive. If Yugi did kill Ige then this will be wrong as the one above. 3. I..... do not have a 3." She pauses and makes a short and sharping clicking sound a few times as she thinks to herself. "Yeah fuck, any suggestions?" [ I forgot to specify, but lifelines can't be used to answer anything too specific about the killer. They're used to reveal clues or answer questions about more minor case details. ]
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Post by Kachu on Apr 12, 2023 14:40:44 GMT
Mikoto coughs. "Um."
"Do we think it might be possible for Ige's wound to have been post-mortem? That is to say, he was poisoned, and as he was passing he fell and hit his head, or something?"
"If he had 20 minutes left, that's a little interesting, isn't it? Considering where we found him... The timer maxes out at 20 minutes, right?
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Post by Panda on Apr 12, 2023 15:07:22 GMT
[To clarify: Ige had 20 minutes on his timer when he was last logged going through the bar, same as most other players.]
When people examined Ige's body, they also checked his bracelet. It had a normal amount of money in it, as would be expected from someone who'd made a full loop and was heading to the Bar to deposit.
Monokuma swung his tiny legs in his chair, looking bored. "Maybe I should focus you guys a little. What's the deal with that weird container you found at the crime scene?"
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Post by Kachu on Apr 12, 2023 15:11:04 GMT
"Oh." Mikoto smacks their head with their left sleeve. "I'm a fool. My mistake."
"If we feel that a lifeline is a strong choice here, perhaps we can ask a question revolving around some of the mysterious items? Like the syringe, which seems to have not been used to administrate the poison."
Mikoto jolts back a little at Monokuma's rather sudden intervention. "Or that! Yes! That is a lovely question as well. It has me scratching the skin off my scalp like an inmate on death row."
"...Do we think the 'paint' on it is poison?"
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Post by wintercoat on Apr 12, 2023 16:44:27 GMT
“Maybe? Who wants to give it a lash and lick it to find out?” Caitlin asked, half-seriously with a nervous chuckle.
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Post by mec on Apr 12, 2023 17:36:44 GMT
"I suppose it could have been."
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 12, 2023 19:30:30 GMT
"That thing is a glass beaker, isn't it?" Faye asked. "I think someone might have painted it and filled it with tools in hopes it would just look like a bucket and we wouldn't notice it's completely out of place in the workshop. Was it totally dry on the inside?"
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Post by Panda on Apr 12, 2023 19:32:35 GMT
The container was dry. It was also much larger than any glass beaker would normally be.
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Post by wintercoat on Apr 12, 2023 19:34:19 GMT
“If it was larger than normal, someone must’ve made it bigger with the Wonderland spell, right?”
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 12, 2023 19:39:04 GMT
"Let's test that. Gwlad Hud." Faye said, and much like the Sissus statue before it, she tried to make the mystery container bigger for no reason.
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Post by Panda on Apr 12, 2023 19:56:43 GMT
The container was unaffected!
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Post by JaytheBluPirate on Apr 12, 2023 20:02:39 GMT
"Seems like someone possibly enlarged that beaker, like Faye said." Calvin commented. "Why would anyone wants to enlarge that anyway?"
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 12, 2023 20:11:21 GMT
"I'm pretty sure the wonderland spell was just to disguise it as a bucket for holding tools, so we wouldn't find it. It's at least safer than the disposal chutes, since we'd check those immediately anyways. As we did." Faye said. "The real question is what the beaker was used for. I thought someone used it to hold the poison, but if it was definitely dry, then..."
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Post by Panda on Apr 12, 2023 20:22:55 GMT
[As it's come up multiple times, I'll point out that Tywll poison disappears completely after 5 minutes.]
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Post by wintercoat on Apr 12, 2023 20:30:38 GMT
“It was painted black to disguise the poison while it was inside the container! …maybe. Right?”
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Post by Kachu on Apr 12, 2023 20:49:20 GMT
That doesn't hold water, unlike a bucket would." Mikoto nods. "They would only have a few short minutes to make use of it. I don't see why they'd need to get a beaker specifically to pour poison down someone's throat."
"We must also keep in mind the SP used behind this. If the killer did both of these things, that is, creating poison and sizing up this beaker, then they'd only be left with 20sp afterwards."
"If they were able to pour poison down Ige's throat, they'd surely have opportunity to stick a finger in his mouth as well. Or perhaps, maybe..."
"If all the poison needs to do is enter the bloodstream, it would be possible to just tap him on the head, no? After he was wounded, I mean. All that said, I think it's most likely impossible that the beaker held poison at all. I was foolish for suggesting anything like that in the first place, it seems!"
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Post by mec on Apr 12, 2023 21:03:29 GMT
"The wound wouldn't have been able to let poison into his system. Thought of that already."
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Post by Kachu on Apr 12, 2023 21:09:39 GMT
"Of course, of course." Mikoto nods, understanding now how foolish they really are.
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Post by Kachu on Apr 12, 2023 23:36:05 GMT
"Hrmmm..." Mikoto looks down at their podium lost in thought.
"Not sure if this is even true, but if we imagine the killer's actions here, then something interesting comes to mind. We know that the poison can not be prepared in advance, it vanishes after five minutes. So, using that at the crime scene would put the killer down 40sp."
"If we believe that the killer, and the one who prepared and enlarged the beaker are the same person, then enlarging it would put them down another 40sp. This, to me, means that whatever this beaker was used for, it was probably not spell related. I didn't really think it was spell related in the first place, but..."
"Oh, and we also know Faye, Caitlin and Calvin used spells themselves during the Rat Race! And since the beaker is still enlarged, that does make it less likely that either of them is the killer, I think? Unless a third party or potential accomplice enlarged the beaker for them..."
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Post by mec on Apr 12, 2023 23:52:29 GMT
"The could've made the poison and beaker far bigger together, but still. why?" Hella wonders aloud.
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Post by wintercoat on Apr 13, 2023 0:56:14 GMT
“Probably wanted to give Ige a nice, refreshing drink.”
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 13, 2023 1:39:17 GMT
"The could've made the poison and beaker far bigger together, but still. why?" Hella wonders aloud. Faye gasped, both amazed and annoyed she had failed to consider this trick a second time.
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Post by Panda on Apr 13, 2023 8:27:26 GMT
"Scaled up, 2ml of poison becomes 2 litres... that's a lot of poison!" Monokuma said, before laughing. "Maybe the killer wanted to just kill all of you at once: it's a sure-fire way to win the Contact Game!"
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 13, 2023 15:31:32 GMT
"Once you had that much poison I think you could just splash Ige in the face with it and at least some of it would get in his mouth." Faye very helpfully suggested.
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Post by Panda on Apr 13, 2023 15:40:57 GMT
"Booo, what a waste of good poison," Monokuma complained. "So when'd they do it, then?"
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Post by dootdoot on Apr 13, 2023 15:50:06 GMT
"Well. Hm. It would leave a real mess if you did that, but the poison disappears after five minutes. But..."
"Okay, people have to pass through the workshop to get to the bar. But if you look at the bar records, you can see it just wasn't left alone for 5 straight minutes starting from 15:00 until 15:15, five minutes before Xhuli died at 15:20. So unless Nico pulled this off within the 5 minutes between the 15:07 group and the 15:12 group... Ige must have died after Xhuli?"
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Post by Kachu on Apr 13, 2023 16:07:14 GMT
“There’s only a few of us unaccounted for at that time.” Mikoto nods. “Most of you all were already at the jail cell by then, correct?”
“This seems to narrow down the options significantly.”
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